Well, the Fluvoxamine has done nothing. OK, it's done nothing good. My son is back to muttering, gesturing and not responding. Occasionally, he gets aggressive and attacks. He is mostly living in his own head. We are dumping the fluvoxamine, letting is clear out of his system and now we are going to try Cymbalta. Should I be without hope? He's so gone, it's hard to remember he was lucid just 10 days ago. In his special school they are transferring him to a more restrictive environment where most of the kids are basically non-verbal and incapable of learning. This is the depths to which we have fallen.
When do we give up? When do we drop him off at a hospital and say "Good Luck!"?
It's a story. A story about a child on a journey. The journey is not happy. But the journey has not reached its destination. There may be joy at the journey's end but I don't yet know.
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Friday, October 14, 2011
Back to Awful
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Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Ridiculous?
I was up for a few hours sitting in the dark in my son's room waiting for him to go to sleep. He won't stay in bed unless I sit there. He'll otherwise wake up and turn on the light and mutter to himself and pace.
While I was there I was pondering his situation. He's been regressing these past few days with no dosage change of the Fluvoxamine (25mg). He back to being basically non-communicative and perseverating. I was thinking about upping the dose when it occurred to me that the proper course of action might actually be to reduce the dose. There is clearly a cumulative effect of the drug as it reaches a steady state in his bloodstream. We have seen this with other SSRIs and the anti-psychotics. At the start, there is some basic improvement and then after a couple of weeks - back to crazy.
That got me thinking...maybe he's just really sensitive to these SSRIs and his paradoxical reaction is because of this sensitivity. Maybe the right course of action is to reduce the dosage lower and lower and test the reaction and behavior at these lower bloodstream equilibrium levels. I think I'm going to try 12.5mg tomorrow...
While I was there I was pondering his situation. He's been regressing these past few days with no dosage change of the Fluvoxamine (25mg). He back to being basically non-communicative and perseverating. I was thinking about upping the dose when it occurred to me that the proper course of action might actually be to reduce the dose. There is clearly a cumulative effect of the drug as it reaches a steady state in his bloodstream. We have seen this with other SSRIs and the anti-psychotics. At the start, there is some basic improvement and then after a couple of weeks - back to crazy.
That got me thinking...maybe he's just really sensitive to these SSRIs and his paradoxical reaction is because of this sensitivity. Maybe the right course of action is to reduce the dosage lower and lower and test the reaction and behavior at these lower bloodstream equilibrium levels. I think I'm going to try 12.5mg tomorrow...
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Sunday, October 9, 2011
Circles
A few days of progress and then a few days of regress. It's positively maddening. He's off the Geodon. It must be completely gone. He was quite communicative all week although quite focused on death. He got a little oppositional at school but there was some learning going on. Not a lot but some.
He's still on 25mg of Fluvoxamine. On Friday he started getting quiet and muttering. When he spoke he said some insightful things like "I have been wasting my life". I tried to build on that and explain how to move on from that and not waste his life anymore. He's not ready to receive that yet.
There was at least one evening filled with anger toward the dreaded aide. This resulted in the destruction of an old portable keyboard device (He had this to help him compose before he had a laptop). It also resulted in many scuffs and scratches in his door.
He attacked me once but not with the vigor of days gone by and without any resulting bruises or scratches. He was also consolable.
Last night he was awake all night talking to himself about "the aide". He slept briefly in the morning. He ate a bit and is now sleeping soundly.
So...what now? What happens the rest of the week?
And guess what, I think our other cat is sick.
He's still on 25mg of Fluvoxamine. On Friday he started getting quiet and muttering. When he spoke he said some insightful things like "I have been wasting my life". I tried to build on that and explain how to move on from that and not waste his life anymore. He's not ready to receive that yet.
There was at least one evening filled with anger toward the dreaded aide. This resulted in the destruction of an old portable keyboard device (He had this to help him compose before he had a laptop). It also resulted in many scuffs and scratches in his door.
He attacked me once but not with the vigor of days gone by and without any resulting bruises or scratches. He was also consolable.
Last night he was awake all night talking to himself about "the aide". He slept briefly in the morning. He ate a bit and is now sleeping soundly.
So...what now? What happens the rest of the week?
And guess what, I think our other cat is sick.
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Sunday, October 2, 2011
More Words
Yesterday there were 4 violent outbursts. Blind rage and anger at the now infamous teaching aide. I got in his way and was clawed, scratched, kicked, hit and almost bitten. Each time I wrestled him to his room where his tantrum continued, highlighted by door kicking and shrieks and tearing of paper and notebooks. I was convinced the Geodon was to blame and wanted to drop it to 0mg (from 20mg). The Psychiatrist suggested that the withdrawal side effects, even from that low dosage could be problematic. I agreed to cut it to 10mg (by cutting the capsule in half, tossing the powder from one half and giving the other half to my son).
This morning when he awoke, my son was still muttering and pacing. He followed instructions as usual to come and eat breakfast. I sat and watched him in silence. He looked at me and said "Daddy, your eye is red." And indeed it was from my rubbing it to disperse some minor irritation. Never have 5 words excited me so. The he got up and walked around some more.
He then approached our house guest (who perhaps is owed a blog of her own) and said "I love you" and had a short conversation with her about death.
I looked in his room and saw that he attempted a floor puzzle. In addition, he seems to be trying to color a little - and keeping in the lines, too.
He's still pacing and muttering (the usual phrases) but there are 4 faint glimmers of hope in a single morning. Yet the day is long and just now started....
This morning when he awoke, my son was still muttering and pacing. He followed instructions as usual to come and eat breakfast. I sat and watched him in silence. He looked at me and said "Daddy, your eye is red." And indeed it was from my rubbing it to disperse some minor irritation. Never have 5 words excited me so. The he got up and walked around some more.
He then approached our house guest (who perhaps is owed a blog of her own) and said "I love you" and had a short conversation with her about death.
I looked in his room and saw that he attempted a floor puzzle. In addition, he seems to be trying to color a little - and keeping in the lines, too.
He's still pacing and muttering (the usual phrases) but there are 4 faint glimmers of hope in a single morning. Yet the day is long and just now started....
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Saturday, October 1, 2011
Two Weeks of Low Levels of Geodon
I have requested behavioral logs from the school where they are tracking my son's activities. This week he had a short period where he did math but otherwise, paced in class, slept in class, muttered endlessly and lashed out aggressively about 4 times. At home, I saw very short glimmers of real interaction but mostly pacing, muttering and a couple of meltdowns. Yesterday evening was particularly bad and included two situations in which he needed to be confined to his room and when inside he banged on the door and tore up paper, screamed and squealed. The subject of the anger was the now notorious teacher's aide.
WARNING: Amateur Pharmacological Assessment follows
He's been on the Geodon for about 2 weeks now. I worry that although the sedating effect is helpful if the aggressive outbreaks are a result of it reaching some sort of steady state in his bloodstream. His behaviors are similar to what happened with other anti-psychotics. I also wonder if the glimmers of interaction are a result of the Fluvoxamine. This is all "gut" feeling-based. In light of this, though, I wonder if we ought to drop the Geodon and increase the Fluvoxamine to the next dosage level (50mg?)
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Tuesday, September 27, 2011
Fluvoxamine
Third day on Fluvoxamine. It's too soon to say anything.
Yesterday was an awful day at school, a lot of acting out and aggressive behavior. His mother, who is out of town, coaxed a few words out of him on the phone. They were "I'm sad" and when asked why, he responded that "I'm afraid to die." The bright side is that is was the closest to a conversation he's had in the last 5 days.
Otherwise, I'm still hearing the words of the infamous teaching aide emanating from my son's mouth. Yesterday I started telling him that I don't need to hear any more of the words of the aide. I need to hear his words. I said that I knew what she said made him angry and that he thought she was wrong and stupid. I reiterated that I need to hear from him now. Not her. I spent about 15 minutes on that bender. Every time he said one of her phrases I said those were her words not his and that I needed to hear his words. I said that he was my was son and not she. He eventually fell asleep.
When he awoke in the morning he was drowsy, although as far as I could tell he slept all night. He was mostly quiet but soon started in on the "aide phrases". I reminded him that I didn't need to hear those anymore - I needed to hear his words. Then he just said them in a lower voice.
Yesterday was an awful day at school, a lot of acting out and aggressive behavior. His mother, who is out of town, coaxed a few words out of him on the phone. They were "I'm sad" and when asked why, he responded that "I'm afraid to die." The bright side is that is was the closest to a conversation he's had in the last 5 days.
Otherwise, I'm still hearing the words of the infamous teaching aide emanating from my son's mouth. Yesterday I started telling him that I don't need to hear any more of the words of the aide. I need to hear his words. I said that I knew what she said made him angry and that he thought she was wrong and stupid. I reiterated that I need to hear from him now. Not her. I spent about 15 minutes on that bender. Every time he said one of her phrases I said those were her words not his and that I needed to hear his words. I said that he was my was son and not she. He eventually fell asleep.
When he awoke in the morning he was drowsy, although as far as I could tell he slept all night. He was mostly quiet but soon started in on the "aide phrases". I reminded him that I didn't need to hear those anymore - I needed to hear his words. Then he just said them in a lower voice.
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Sunday, September 25, 2011
Done with Geodon
A short experiment that yielded no tangible results except drowsiness. Valuable in itself but no relief from the constant hum of the dreaded words of the aide. We have decided to return to the track of treating this like OCD and head down a path paved with fluvoxamine. Once again, starting with a low dosage (25mg) the first one applied late this afternoon. We won't know much for 7 days or so, maybe longer.
We do now definitively know, I guess, that anti-psychotics are not helpful.
While out for a walk with my son after dinner, a short 'round the block sort of walk, we ambled while my son muttered the usual secret spell. On the way through the park at the end of our street, my son reached out to me and held my hand. He did so deliberately and held on, not to steady his gait but just, I believe, to touch me.
Maybe to let me know he's still here.
Maybe to let me know that he is coming back.
I can always hope, right?
We do now definitively know, I guess, that anti-psychotics are not helpful.
While out for a walk with my son after dinner, a short 'round the block sort of walk, we ambled while my son muttered the usual secret spell. On the way through the park at the end of our street, my son reached out to me and held my hand. He did so deliberately and held on, not to steady his gait but just, I believe, to touch me.
Maybe to let me know he's still here.
Maybe to let me know that he is coming back.
I can always hope, right?
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Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Upping Prozac
The new strategy was to raise the dosage of Prozac to a level that has shown success in dealing with obsessive compulsive tendencies. Seemed like a good strategy. So we started off down that new path. We knew that the effect of any new dosage level would take about 10 days to reveal itself. As always, we remained hopeful.
Sure enough within 10 days - pretty much as expected - we saw the new outcome. And it wasn't pretty. The behavior showed distinct similarities to those of my son's reactions while on the anti-psychotics. The total self-involvement, the persiverating, the sleeplessness. So we brought the level back down. While the behaviors subsided somewhat they did not return to even the manageable level of madness previously experienced.
New and exciting obsessions started, constant bathing, for instance. Constant clothes changing.
It was therefore decided to get off the Prozac entirely. And so another set of bottles of various dosages of a drugs goes into storage.
That basically brings us to now. We are letting the Prozac go, waiting for it to subside in the bloodstream. The plan is to switch to Fluvoxamine - a drug more typically associated with treatment of OCD and depression but specifically OCD.
Sure enough within 10 days - pretty much as expected - we saw the new outcome. And it wasn't pretty. The behavior showed distinct similarities to those of my son's reactions while on the anti-psychotics. The total self-involvement, the persiverating, the sleeplessness. So we brought the level back down. While the behaviors subsided somewhat they did not return to even the manageable level of madness previously experienced.
New and exciting obsessions started, constant bathing, for instance. Constant clothes changing.
It was therefore decided to get off the Prozac entirely. And so another set of bottles of various dosages of a drugs goes into storage.
That basically brings us to now. We are letting the Prozac go, waiting for it to subside in the bloodstream. The plan is to switch to Fluvoxamine - a drug more typically associated with treatment of OCD and depression but specifically OCD.
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